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diamonds		#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 10:15:27 AM(UTC)
Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered Joined: 9/30/2015(UTC) Posts: 4		After three months of starting a new position, if you resigned for a good reason earlier this year is it possible to reapply for the same position again in another region? I ask because it is highly unlikely the same issue will be present in another region. Would HR say they could not hire you again (a different HR office than the one who originally hired you) because you resigned? If it helps, I resigned because my supervisor refused to accommodate my reasonable disability accommodation. If there is a chance I could be hired again, could I negotiate a higher starting pay since I have already been through training? How many steps could I go up? I think you need a year of specialized experience before you can go up to the next grade level? I am not sure if they would have me go through training again as a refresher. Edited by userWednesday, September 30, 2015 10:16:01 AM(UTC) |Reason: Not specified

hustonj		#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 10:38:26 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 5/17/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 8 times Was thanked: 322 time(s) in 259 post(s)		You can apply to any position that you wish to apply to. You should be considered for any position you apply to where you are found to be among the Best Qualified. A couple of important rules, though . . .. The position has to be advertised in order for you to apply through conventional channels. The Selection Official is free to be as discriminatory as they want, for any LEGAL reason they want. Discriminating against you because you resigned from a like position, during the probation year, would be a legal discrimination. I think you need to be more worried about getting them to consider you at all than about asking for more . . ..

diamonds		#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 10:54:13 AM(UTC)
Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered Joined: 9/30/2015(UTC) Posts: 4		Are you saying that I probably would not be hired because I resigned? If it is a different hiring office, I do not know if the selecting official would know I worked in another region? Or would I need to disclose that during the interview (if there was an interview)?

Navy Bubblehead		#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:25:34 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 1/19/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,360 Thanks: 30 times Was thanked: 122 time(s) in 100 post(s)		Originally Posted by: diamonds Are you saying that I probably would not be hired because I resigned? If it is a different hiring office, I do not know if the selecting official would know I worked in another region? Or would I need to disclose that during the interview (if there was an interview)? 1. Are you saying you aren't going to put your previous position on your application/resume? How are you going to ask for a higher salary because you already went through the training WITHOUT disclosing that you previously worked for the agency? 2. Resigning from the same position does raise red flags. 3. What kind of accommodation were you looking for? "Reasonableness" is in the eye of the beholder (and the law). If you need special equipment, the agency has to provide that. If you need to tweek your work hours by an hour here or there, ok. If you "need" to work from home in a position that everyone else works in the office, that could be a non-starter. Edited by userWednesday, September 30, 2015 11:27:58 AM(UTC) |Reason: Not specified

diamonds		#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:48:51 AM(UTC)
Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered Joined: 9/30/2015(UTC) Posts: 4		Hustonj mentioned not to think about the salary at this point. I may be discriminated against if I mentioned the previous position so I would not inlcude it on my resume since it was onyl for a short period of time. I would not want to say during the intrview that my former supervisor discriminated against me. I would wait for a job offer, first. Does resigning from the same position really rasie flags if teh supervisor was the one at fault? The accommodation does not matter since it is a reasonable one that most supervisors would not have a problem with.

Knight		#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:53:30 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 1/2/2009(UTC) Posts: 7,337 Thanks: 242 times Was thanked: 478 time(s) in 395 post(s)		Quote: could I negotiate a higher starting pay Since you quit after 90 day you are effectively starting over, so no on more money. Quote: After three months of starting a new position, if you resigned Since you quit after 90 day you are a slightly tarnished in the eyes of the next hiring official. We are the GOV, if there is any file on you they will get it. If you don't tell them, that is a "red flag" that will get in the way of any offer. Quote: I resigned because my supervisor refused to accommodate my reasonable disability accommodation. This concerns me more than anything. If they refused RA you should have stayed and fought it. Instead you left and now the burden is on you to find a new job. Quote: would I need to disclose... Before the interview, one of the forms asks if you have ever worked for the GOV.

hustonj		#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:02:15 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 5/17/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 8 times Was thanked: 322 time(s) in 259 post(s)		Remember that part of the application process where you list your complete (relevant) work history? Unless you lie on the application, you are going to tell the new group about the previous hiring. If you do lie on the application, that's justification to fire you without right of appeal, even years later. I'm saying that if your application is identified as among the best qualified, and your material is presented to the hiring official, your previous SHORT stint in a similar position is a significant question mark they will need to evaluate. If there are enough good applicants without those question marks, you may never get the chance to address the concerns, as they choose to interview and hire people without the obvious questions . . .. Could the hiring official give you more credit than the question raises? Of course they could! Expecting that behavior indicates you might be over-valuing yourself, though. The hiring official is VERY unlikely to see you as anything special compare to the other applicants. That's simply reality. Getting your resume to the point where you stand out as a high-quality, low-risk applicant compared to everybody else attempting to do the same thing is a lot harder than people like to think it is. Especially when you have to include an indication that you are higher-risk than other applicants . . ..

diamonds		#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:03:11 PM(UTC)
Rank: Newbie Groups: Registered Joined: 9/30/2015(UTC) Posts: 4		I have worked for other federal agencies. I thought I did the agency a favor by not fighting against them in a discrimination complaint although my supervisor did not deserve to get off easy. The red flag should really be for my former supervisor.

hustonj		#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:14:14 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 5/17/2011(UTC) Posts: 2,270 Thanks: 8 times Was thanked: 322 time(s) in 259 post(s)		Well, it won't be. There's no paperwork in existence to serve as that red flag. Instead, your leaving marks you with a red flag. If people choose to leave your paperwork on the table, you'll never get a chance to explain why it shouldn't.

Navy Bubblehead		#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:20:20 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 1/19/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,360 Thanks: 30 times Was thanked: 122 time(s) in 100 post(s)		Originally Posted by: diamonds I have worked for other federal agencies. I thought I did the agency a favor by not fighting against them in a discrimination complaint although my supervisor did not deserve to get off easy. The red flag should really be for my former supervisor. Did you file any formal complaint? No, you quit. Did you document anything? Unclear from what we have seen here. If it isn't documented, it didn't happen. That is Government Employment 101. So again, the red flag is on you for the short tenure. Also, the accommodation may very well be relevant. You don't know what the next employer will be open to or not. You are making assumptions. You may see the accommodation as simple, whereas in reality, it may not be so simple.

Frankish		#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 12:23:57 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 6/15/2015(UTC) Posts: 909 Thanks: 85 times Was thanked: 132 time(s) in 122 post(s)		In the hiring and firming arena discrimination is a legal term. The "reasonable accommodation" process exceeds well beyond 90 days and ends with the EEOC and the lawyers after 6-18 months. As the employee you are obligated to follow a process prior to making statements associated with discrimination. Explaining a resignation after only 90 days in a government role is difficult at best. The overwhelming majority of employers will find fault with the employee and not the employer with a resignation after only 90 days. Regardless, apply! You may actually be hired! The departure after only 90 days is best explained with "personal reason" and not "professional reasons". No further questions will be asked due to legal requirements of the hiring managers; but if you proceed to go into detail you will eliminate yourself as a prospective employee. Too much information is a bad thing in the hiring process as it is used against you in the firing process.

Knight		#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:21:36 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member Groups: Registered Joined: 1/2/2009(UTC) Posts: 7,337 Thanks: 242 times Was thanked: 478 time(s) in 395 post(s)		Quote: The departure after only 90 days is best explained with "personal reason"... True, this is a better reason for the short stint.

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